“Thank goodness for Thomas, for the courage he had to ask the questions, to demand proof, because some of us need that kind of experience in order to believe too…In a way, all of us need evidence, some kind of tangible proof, if for no reason other than the vantage point by which we see the world.” Amy Butler, Interim Senior Minister of National City Christian Church in Washington, DC, preaches from familiar texts in John 14 and John 20:19-31. What does it mean to believe? Listen as Butler uses Thomas’ experiences both before and after Jesus’ death and resurrection as an example for us as to how to frame our belief.